That ref had money on the game so he made up a rule. (This was also the game in which Patriots quarterback Drew Bledsoe was injured by a hit from Mo Lewis, giving backup Tom Brady a chance to play.) It stated: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. Any idea which it actually was? Gruden was dismissive of Davis' views on the matter, and the subsequent breakdown in relations between owner and coach led to Gruden being traded to Tampa Bay and becoming their head coach in 2002. How about this rule. May 5, 2022 2:22pm. This rule is fine, its only the whining fans of teams that are unable to do their jobs well enough to win that want this rule changed. worst call in history of sports. The Tuck Rule had come full circle. The Tuck Rule was a rule in the National Football League (NFL) that stated that if a quarterback lost control of the ball while trying to bring it back to his body (and it was not because he fumbled it), it would be called an incomplete pass, not a fumble. And, no, he would not have lost his job after coughing the ball up. Anything else? In 2008, Brady suffered two torn ligaments during the Patriots season-opening game with the Kansas City Chiefs. Okay, now that this is figured out, what about spiking the football? If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. 3 trillion in assets under management, as of March 31, 2022, the most recently available information. Secondly, the call on the field was correct no matter how out of the blue it seemed at that time. Plain and simple. The Tuck Rulewas a controversial call that will be discussed for a very long time, but its impact on the league, outside of that 2001 season, is entirely overblown. So please, for the love of god, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! Were talking, of course, about the infamous Tuck Rule game, in which the New England Patriots, thanks to a late Tom Brady fumble being overturned because of an obscure rule, beat the Oakland Raiders to advance to the 2002 AFC Championship Game. US AGAINST THE MEDIA The ball should not have to be loose in the act of passing for it to be ruled incomplete. Here is the problem, and why the tuck rule is a rule. It was 2001. Brady ended up completing 26 of 39 passes for 238 yards in the second half. The rule was properly applied, period. And even if they got there, the high-powered Rams awaited. "[2] [8] The only team to vote against the elimination of the tuck rule was the Pittsburgh Steelers, while the New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained from the vote. Does the Patriots dynasty if you can call it that happen? Other football associations rule it an incomplete pass or a fumble. I agree to receive the "Pick Six Newsletter" and marketing communications, updates, special offers (including partner offers), and other information from CBS Sports and the Paramount family of companies. For a decade as the NFLs head of officiating, Mike Pereira was the man who had to come forward publicly and defend the infamous tuck rule and the referees who applied it under controversial circumstances. No kidding Pereira. Accusing of spying on . Some may find it surprising that many of the leagues passes target players behind the line of scrimmage. Any ref that cannot see that Woodson clocked Brady in the side of the head causing him to lose possession should not have a job as a ref. 2 The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002 Credit: AFP Losing on a fluke (and possibly bad) call is much more. But yeah I agree with you, nowadays at least it wouldn't be overturned with the whole evidence thing. Wikipedia's page for your 2001 season says the latter, but your image above shows home jerseys (week two). ITS US AGAINST THE WORLD poorpathaters says: No choice but to respect the officials probably correct decision. Of course, I think downing the football to save the clock should also be ruled intentional grounding, since it is exactly what is taking place. Brady, who recently announced his retirement, is now a seven-time Super Bowl champion who . January 19, 2022 1:59 pm ET. [14] Patriots owner Robert Kraft noted that Al Davis was probably looking down from the afterlife and happy that the rule had been abolished. I was young and didn't watch football at the time. The game, played under a heavy snowfall, was the last at Foxboro Stadium. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. It may have taken him a little longer to earn that genius label without that brilliant Super Bowl game plan he devised for the Rams on his resume. Think it through a little bit more. The Tom Brady rule states that a defender on the ground who has not been pushed into the quarterback cannot lunge at a quarterback's knee or lower legs. Pereira opined on the tuck rule because it was applied on Sunday, when Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel went back to pass and dropped the ball when he was hit by Baltimore's Lardarius Webb. Tom Brady should have to throw left handed if he hasnt thrown an INT in three games. WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. "The Tuck Rule" changed Tom Brady's career. Tom Brady, after proving himself to the Patriots in 2001, gets the full time starting job still.The Pats would be a winning team throughout the decade, going as low as 8-8 to as high as 12-4. The tuck rule was abolished on March 20, 2013, by a 291 vote of current teams. 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. See my post before yours. What a bullshit stupid motherfucking idea that was. [5] In later interviews, Coleman stated that it was his explanation, not the reversal, that was in error; the ball was moving backwards when it was lost, but the tuck rule applied. For one, do you know anything about football? An existing rule was strengthened as a result of this. You need to educate yourself before posting here again. When discussing Tom Brady and the "Tuck Rule," Ray Lewis was referring to the game-changing call made by the referee during the 2001 AFC divisional playoff game between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders. New England had no timeouts left, but with the clock stopped, Brady here had a short conversation with offensive coordinator Charlie Weis. The New England Patriots were hosting the then Oakland Raiders in the 2001 AFC Divisional Playoff game. people dont realize after that turnover the very next play would be a 3 kneeldowns and the game over, # Patriots should have had 1st and 10 with an extra 15 yards. Correct call. While I'm not arguing with you, but I know the general thing now is that if there's not enough evidence but only a sliver of evidence to overturn it, they won't. avana capital corporation. Whatever raider fans. I'm not sure how it wouldn't be incomplete. THE 'tuck rule' in the NFL is regarded as one of the most controversial in sports history. terumiarai says: I love how people give the raiders so much attention. If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble. Please check the opt-in box to acknowledge that you would like to subscribe. Bill Belichick should have to insult three teams in a season, one must be in the AFC East. To say that the Raiders simply were beaten by the Patriots is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. If the Raiders were that great how come they couldnt stop the Pats on one of the following plays ? If it goes beyond the line of scrimmage it's an incomplete pass. Pereira is right there with Walt Coleman in my book. The Patriots went on to win the game and then win that year's Super Bowl against the then St. Louis Rams, starting the first of two Patriots dynasties and giving Brady his first of seven rings. Your reasoning is flawed because you are obviously a biased patriot fan who enjoyed rodney harrision and his cheap shots. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. I don't understand the denial around this by pats fans, you got a bullshit call go your way, it happens, but you deny it and even call it the game the fucking "snow bowl" while the entire NFL calls it the tuck rule game. It was 20 years ago today, when the Patriots played the Raiders, in a snow bowl matchup often referred to as as 'The Tuck Rule Game." The resulting win, leading to an incredible run of postseason victories and Super Bowls for former Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots. All Rights Reserved. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Get 1 free month of Audible by clicking the link belowhttp://www.audibletrial.com/JKSCheck out the JKS website https://www.jacksonkruegersports.com/Follow me. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. 1:13 pm ET. The rule makes sense the way it is, changing it would just create ambiguity. Once the arm has moved forward with ball in hand, it is a pass attempt even after the arm has stopped moving forward (even voluntarily), until the time when the ball is tucked away, which means presumably not just in the QBs hand but protected by an arm. I might be better off looking it up. Here's the official ruling, from section 22, article 2 of the NFL's rulebook. What time do NFL fantasy waivers go through? By taking the hit, the Patsies also got to see what the Raiders were doing defensively. Its really more sadness and pity than anything. Wow. In the 4th quarter, Raiders' cornerback Charles Woodson tackled Patriots' quarterback Tom Brady, causing what initially appeared to be a fumble that was recovered by Raiders' linebacker Greg Biekert. Wow! According to the exact wording of the rule, when a quarterback goes to pass the football, his hand is considered in throwing motion until the ball is completely stopped or pulled down in attempt to begin a run. How about game winning play by the defense. [1] The Broncos eventually went on to win the game. The ball should not have to be loose in the act of passing for it to be ruled incomplete. Kurt Warner suffered injuries the following season and was eventually released. The tuck rule had been on the books for years, . Uhh, I do believe it does make sense for the QB to be in the act of passing for it to be ruled an incomplete pass. Pulling the ball back is not passing and should be no different then a running back not securing the ball and getting it stripped away. Why? @tooz56 The way the rule was written, you could probably pump fake, pull the ball back, hang out for ten minutes, have a beer in the pocket, and then fumble, and it's incomplete. Yes, keep the rule until each team has experienced it at least once. Even Brady said he fumbled. FYI, I dont give a crap about the Ben Dreith call. WE WILL WIN! During ESPN's new 30 for 30 documentary called, "The Tuck Rule", the future Hall of Fame quarterback admitted that if he didn't lead the New. I dont question whether the rule was correctly applied. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM. Whine about 1976 all you want Patriot fans. An incomplete pass stops the clock and prevents the loss of yards from a sack. Dont fix what aint broke. While pumping the football, Brady was hit on his right side by a blitzing Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson (Brady's teammate at Michigan). Winning the infamous "Tuck Rule Game" is what propelled the young New England Patriots quarterback to his first Super Bowl victory in 2001. January 16, 2019 10:09 pm PT. In the closing moments of the fourth quarter of the game in a snowy Foxboro Stadium, with New England trailing by three points, New England quarterback Tom Brady dropped back to pass. The tuck rule resulted in a controversial finish to an AFC divisional playoff game on January 19, 2002, between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders. RAIDERS WILL BE BACK. The thing that makes no sense is is that the refs had to have been 100% certain that when Brady brought the ball in it did not touch his other hand. Incomplete pass? As for the Raiders, who are still salty about the call all these years later, their season would have been extended by about one week. Brady rushed in for a touchdown to cut the lead to 13-10. at Raiders middle linebacker Greg Biekert then fell on the loose football. No more "was his arm going forward?" After two incomplete passes and a Brady scramble, Vinatieri came on to hit a game-tying 45-yard field goal through the snow with just 27 seconds left, a kick considered to have been one of the most difficult kicks in NFL history,[15] or the most "clutch-kick ever. A. Bitch!. "The Tuck Rule Game." The ruling: an incomplete pass. I dont care if your elbow grazed the turf or a defender brushed the back of your jersey as you were falling. Should it be changed?surebut that wont reverse history. section: | slug: tom-brady-admits-controversial-tuck-rule-game-play-might-have-been-a-fumble-and-not-an-incomplete-pass | sport: football | route: article_single.us | The Raiders appeared to be dominating to this point of the game. The final was Gruden's last game of his first stint as head coach of the Raiders; he was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers before the following season. Periera is wrong. The Tuck Rule rules that his pass was incomplete. Gruden made a reference to the Tuck Rule game in his introductory press conference upon his return to the Raiders, turning to former Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson and saying "Brady fumbled that ball". But on replay, Carey said it was an incomplete pass because of the tuck rule. Tom Brady finally admits Tuck Rule play 'might have been a fumble'. @tombradyfumbled Secret Base and Split Zone Duo's Steven Godfrey (@38Godfrey) joined us to talk about the upcoming college football season, which means we . Thank you. [1], The tuck rule was also enforced in an NFL playoff game on January 9, 2011, between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Baltimore Ravens. Bradys was a fumble. Agree the play alone didnt lose the game for the Raiders, but the emotional swing in the game after that call was reversed was obvious. To me its simple to fix, the tuck is not a pass to a reciever, and to some extent its not a fumble. Now, in 1976, an old, blind ref name Ben Dreith, called a phantom roughing the passer penalty on Ray Hamilton of the Patriots in an AFC divisional against the Raiders. First, the Tuck Rule was not only a bad rule, but it wasn't applicable on the basis of overwhelming evidence and the Raiders got screwed. Pereira opined on the tuck rule because it was applied on Sunday, when Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel went back to pass and dropped the ball when he was hit by Baltimores Lardarius Webb. Stay classyAwesome post (especially like you putting god in your postMind you it was a little g since you are probably a church going man). end of story. Unfortunately, The Tuck Rule won't be available for next-day streaming via Watch ESPN. Watch the replay!He never threw the ball. Before I continue, yes, the Tuck Rule made the difference in that game, for all of you Patriot fans out there. This solution also solves intentional grounding. Because the play was initially ruled a fumble, instant-replay rules required the referee to see "incontrovertible visual evidence" on the replay that Brady had not "tucked the ball into his body and then {lost} possession" of it before reversing the original call on the field. While it appeared that Brady had tucked the ball back towards his body, the officials were not sure and ruled it a fumble so they could review the play. The Raiders were robbed of another shot at the AFC title and a potential trip to the suber bowl. A lot of people see the incident as one of the NFLs great what ifs. So, either way, Grudens time in Oakland was likely over. Jerry Jones believes Cowboys can keep Zeke and Pollard, NFL combine measurements for DBs: Full list of results, Jerry Jones believes Prescott can progress like Brady, NFL combine 2023 results tracker: Top performances, NFL combine 2023: Winners and losers from DB workouts, Report: Pollard to get franchise tag if deal isn't done. I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. Game was over and every player on the Raiders sideline was celebrating the victory only to be thrown back onto the field to win a game they had already won. It was a pump fake that he brought back to his body. I think everybody probably sees that and says it's a bad rule. I would bet my house that the scumbag instructed goose to break gannons arm. That gave Brady the starting role over veteran Drew Bledsoe entering the 2002 season and the rest is history. While the Patriots were slightly out of field-goal range, Brady dropped back to pass, with no open receivers. Whoever devised the Tuck Rule was drinking more than thier fair share of Scotch that day. It was one of the worst calls in the history of sports. "[12] Several Raiders players and observers also said that the Tuck Rule led to head coach Jon Gruden's departure from the team, as owner Al Davis was apparently angry that Gruden did not protest the call vehemently enough. Stanjamits simple if the Qb gets hit after a pump fake and loses the ball it is a fumble. period. By Pereiras estimate, its been called 120-150 times since it was called in the Raiders-Patriots playoff game (see 2005 story linked in my earlier post) and many times before then, so every team has experienced it MULTIPLE TIMES, though admittedly with lesser importance than that famous instance. This seems like it would mess up the plays where the QB fumbles the ball and then smacks it forward 20 yards. That said, my Raiders had multiple chances to stop them after that. Only once the forward motion of the arm is completed, and the ball tucked into the quarterback's body, would a subsequent loss of possession be considered a fumble. Where is the arm at that point? How would that be a fumble? If you remove it, we open up a basket of worms, and fans will be upset a lot when their QB gets hit while his arm is moving forward and the ref says he was trying to reset, so it is a fumble. Learn how your comment data is processed. THE 'tuck rule' in the NFL is regarded as one of the most controversial in sports history. Later in the quarter, Patriots receiver Troy Brown returned Shane Lechler's 37-yard punt 27 yards to the Patriots 46-yard line. In most cases where the Tuck Rule has been applied, the call would have been a fumble in those other associations. Wow. Pereira sucks everytime he says how a challenge will go the ref comes out and does something completely different I dont care for that guy, WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. But then, they wont have anything to whine about for the next ten years. No team was beating the Rams that year without a game plan devised by Belichick. The Tuck rule should have never came into play. If it goes against the Raiders, reverse the call on the field. So if the quarterbacks hand is technically going backwards when the ball is being tucked, and the ball comes out, it should be a fumble. With less than two minutes left to play, the Patriots drove the ball down the field. Doesnt that now become a fumble because the passer held onto the ball past the predetermined point of a throwing motion? After a video-replay review, referee Walt Coleman reversed the call, declaring the play an incomplete forward-pass and giving possession back to New England. The Patriots were led by a young Tom Brady, who had yet to win a Super Bowl. Teams that were the victims of blown calls in big games? You my friend do not ever need to make another post regarding the tuck rule. It's a ridiculous idea. But it was a rule. (#94 -> #33, for example). Enjoyable result! The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. remember its the same ref that was in for the ravens vs raiders championship a year before when that fat lose goose broke gannons arm so the raiders would lose Brady played in the 2000 Thanksgiving game @ Detroit, so this wasn't his first game. In it's place, the following was added to the rule book: "If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble. But, then again, he had already built up that reputation as a defensive coordinator with the Giants his game plan for Super Bowl XXV against the Bills is actually in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Oakland kneels on the ball and kills the clock. If the decision had remained a fumble, it would have almost certainly sealed the game for Oakland. 1-seeded Steelers to even get to the Super Bowl. Outside of the winner of Super Bowl XXXVI, not much would have changed. No choice but to respect the officials probably correct decision. Tuck Rule AKA F@cked Rule because someone always gets F@cked as a result of this rule!! The Rams probably win another title, adding to the legacy of the Greatest Show on Turf. Such a tough call. Get over it, pathetic Raiders fans. Wow man I didnt realize what crybabies Raiders fans are even after 10 years. In this case, they clearly took a victory away from the Raiders. Study with Quizlet and memorize flashcards containing terms like "I volunteer!" I gasp. He admits he got lucky in the first one.Brady's first postseason win, with the 2001 Patriots, featured the infamous "tuck rule" in which the officials on the field ruled that he fumbled, only to have replay overturn it to an incomplete [more] @marinofreakout, you only show your total lack of football knowledge with this statement. We all know, as well, that the Patsies were cheating during that game, even if Roger Goodell is too afraid to admit it. Geeze the moron Raider fans really come out over the tuck rule. Simple. Charles Woodson on the blitz knocked the ball from the QB's hand and the Raiders retrieved it, with the on-field decision a fumble and therefore a win for Oakland. Brady had no intention of throwing the ball!!! One, the Patriots are still moving forward from that moment and two, someone has to track down that old bastard Dreith and beat the truth out of him about his officiating in that playoff game. raidernationbaby says: There was less than 2 min left in the game when that fumble happened Unlikely the Pats wouldve gotten the ball back. My god. On the field, referee Mike Carey ruled it a fumble. The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. Very easy to determine what the Qbs intent was and what happened with instant replay. Great teams overcome adversity. The ruling made the game exceptionally hard to referee, as well as giving a big advantage to the quarterback. It was the right call. Throughout that game, the Patsies looked like crap with the exception of one drive in which Brady magically went 9 for 9 and threw a touchdown. Nope. If you watch the replay of Cassels arm (or Bradys for that matter) you can clearly see that his arm is moving forward when he loses possession. When can I drink milk after taking iron supplements. Knowing what we now know about Belichick, is there any chance he was turning down a first-round pick from the Bills and the opportunity to shed the richest contract in NFL history? As a result, the original call was overturned, and the ball was given back to the Patriots, who subsequently moved the ball into field goal range. Get over it, pathetic Raiders fans. Brady posted his confession on social media, rekindling a. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.". I have done this and Woodson blitzed off the corner, forced a fumble and greg beikert recovered it winning the game for the Raiders. he is no longer in the act of throwing. Duh. The rule not only changed how referees call the game, but it also altered the trajectory of TB12's career, according to . The call against the Raiders was not the tuck rule. But on replay, Carey said it was an incomplete pass because of the tuck rule. You had your chance the next season, and the Bucs beat you by 50 touchdowns. I've brought it up before and gotten downvoted. The 106 Oakland Raiders were the #3 seed and had beaten the Jets in an AFC wild card game, 3824. . Press J to jump to the feed. In 2018, Gruden returned to coach the Raiders after a 9-year stint as a television analyst. The rule means that a potentially key fumble could now be deemed an incomplete pass. Not much would have changed for Belichicks legacy, either. It completely cheated the Raiders out of a title run. Jan. 19, 2002 is a date that will always live in infamy for Raiders coach Jon Gruden. Your explanations for years were at best inconsistent. Its all very fascinating but a tremendous waste of time. I'm just curious as to how they reacted to review back then. Fact is, the refs blew that call and then the league tried to justify it by making a made-up interpretation of the rule. Sometimes you have to look past the ignorant terms and complex meanings inside a rule book and watch the damn play. This rule is fine, its only the whining fans of teams that are unable to do their jobs well enough to win that want this rule changed. How is the ref supposed to determine the exact moment when an arm moving forward transitions from a throwing motion to a tucking motion? (GIF) : nfl. Regardless, the most common throws by far are those short positive-yardage attempts.". Vinny Testaverde drops back to pass and arm comes forward and he loses the ball.
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